FPS General

I don't have a lot of faith in WarZ. The zombie genre is already pretty crowded, and DayZ's success is due largely to it's unique gameplay. On top of that, the MMO genre is general is pretty crowded and very lack luster, so these two things together don't bode well for me about WarZ.

At least DayZ is being developed by someone currently in the industry and being handled by studio with a known history. Even though their games are pretty meh, at least Bohemia has actually a history of developing games. A new MMO (uh oh) from an unknown developer (uh oh) with a short development time (2 years is pretty short for an MMO) announced when a similarly themed and named game is the latest hot new thing? It comes off looking like a cheap knockoff. Even if it's not the case, it still looks bad.

I'll reserve judgement until there's something to show for WarZ more than like, 5 screenshots. But Hammerpoint has a very uphill battle to not look like a johnny-come-lately and convince people to take WarZ seriously..and that's gonna take more than a zombie theme and a cash shop.

"I could provide a link to 'prove' that the facts are on my side, but not Gonna!", then add a smiley face at the end of the post as to seem like less of a passive aggressive dick.

I signed up for the War Z beta on or maybe the day after the TDKR shooting, hoping War Z would have a solution to the issues DayZ has and I'm not really talking about bugs or the engine. Enthusiastic at first like the average War Z fan nowadays but then I started reading what Sergey Titov, head of the smoke and mirrors department at Hammerpoint, was going on about, bad mouthing Day Z at every point and aggrandising War Z in a one man circlejerk. A lot of promises about the greatness of War Z are made but really jack shit to substantiate it with. I know from observing my former boss how far bald faced lying can get you if you can look people in the eye while lying out of your ass (in his case prison, but you get the point). Sad thing is, way too many people have drank the Kool-aid straight up and not bothered with critical thinking.

Once the game hits the shelves a lot of pink tinted sunglasses are going to come off, War Z will be P2W, and have bugs and issues like any other game but by then Titov and crew will be sipping margaritas on Bahamas with your pre-order money.

I don't need to post links because the facts are already there that all my examples I gave have next to no notice of development. DNF had a few reveals, all of them being different every time which means any footage released was worthless because it wasn't a representation of the final product, thanks for bringing that up and owning yourself further by the way. And if you're going to try to pull one out of your ass, saying otherwise about D3 or SC2, I highly suggest you start looking up facts before spewing shit out of your mouth. Fans have been waiting for D3 over years and years and years with no mentions besides a reveal screenshot maybe 7 years later. Same with Planetside 2, No one knew there was a second one coming out until they've revealed it WHEN THEY'RE ULTIMATELY CLOSE TO BEING RELEASED, JUST LIKE THE MAJORITY OF OTHER GAMES, SAY THE WAR Z. They don't release game-play until they are confident that it will represent the final product so please, stop vomiting out garbage because you still don't know what you're talking about.

And as far as you are concerned, the only "Facts" you need to know about the Engine is that Day Z is built on a military-funded simulator by an amateur with no salary as a modder. The War Z have been in development for roughly 2 years by an entire studio of paid game-developer veterans with the exact same goals in mind to be a stand-alone game. There is no argument to be had here on which will succeed and whether you find something "odd" or not is up to how ignorant you are, which you have proven to be quite a substantial amount since you are trying to talk about a subject you seemingly know nothing about. The screenshots they have released have shown vehicles, glints on the medical system, zombie melee struggling, particle system, scavenging, backstory, exposure system and more. IT'S ALL ON THE WEBSITE and I suggest you check it out sometime because you clearly haven't. :)

P.S. You think a medical system is a "Core" part of games. I need not say anything more about your intellect here.

PPS. I start posting links once you stop editing your posts and checking out the website which is available to everyone which you should have done days ago before starting an argument that you know nothing about and in the end, can't win. :)

why waste your time telling them anything, they are blind to anything but the almighty dayz and the forums therein. i agree with you fully though.

as you can see i replied in a similar manner. i found your article to be at first glance a dayz pwns warz kind of thing, THEN I ACTUALLY READ THE WHOLE article you wrote, and i saw clearly you have a like for day z as do i, yet also are open minded enough and very willing to defend your points when ignoranuses poke their heads out the sand long enough to hit the reply key with out bothering to edumacate themselves.

if you would like the links i wont post here, to the forums where i quoted from, just for shits and giggles, please pm me.    i enjoyed your article i felt it was more than fair comparison and the constant "they havent released much, so we will have to await final judgement" was the best way to finish. true gamers want to play amazing games that get our juices flowing. day z does that, in spades, war z will do it more, they will rush day z out to compete with war z because they suits want that investment money to pay off.  and true gamers know what happens when the suits (i speak of BI after they take day z and polish it up) get involved and rush things out, you get stuff like dead island, or more recently the old republic. 

war z is not necessarily the same as the zombie game i quoted the man saying sony requested. but if they have the assets in place and are doing work for the ps3.....  then how does rocket who is not a experienced in the industry enough new guy who made a mod going to get day z to be on par with something like war z. mark these words, the internet shitstorm of rabid fanboiz will decend on war z just like the wow brats did to the old republic, its all in how the developer responds. like valve? or like EA?

all that being said these guys posting the stupid drivel here?...its like winter is coming and they know nothing.

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And as far as you are concerned, the only "Facts" you need to know about the Engine is that Day Z is built on a military-funded simulator by an amateur with no salary as a modder.

Yeah, uh, no. Hall is a member of Bohemia's staff, and has been for a long time before he started DayZ. I'm sorry to say that, while War Z may end up being better than DayZ, I trust a studio I've heard of over one that's just jumping up and pulling a game "out of it's ass", to use a phrase you are very fond of.

Oh, and one more thing, War Z looks good, but as My1Hidden has said, I see it as an attempt to ride on the success of DayZ with something that'll end up half-assed and shitty, while the creators are sittin' pretty on pre-order money. That's just my personal opinion, hope ya don't get angry about me exercising free speech.

Yeah, bro. No. As I said to Coeco, Hall is and has been a member of Bohemia's staff for far longer than he thought of DayZ. So, there's that. And then there's this.

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day z does that, in spades, war z will do it more, they will rush day z out to compete with war z because they suits want that investment money to pay off.  and true gamers know what happens when the suits (i speak of BI after they take day z and polish it up) get involved and rush things out, you get stuff like dead island, or more recently the old republic.

Hall has repeatedly said that DayZ is and shall remain his vision, so I am highly circumspect of your claim that he and Bohemia will 'rush day z out to compete with war z because they suits want that investment money to pay off.' Hall will stand firm, of that I'm sure. If I'm proven wrong, so be it. I'll move on over to The War Z's campfire. Not a big deal, me bretta. But at the moment, I personally like DayZ better.

Duke Nukem Forever had numerous gameplay videos in its long storied development (and was considered vaporware for most of it primarily due to issues involving its developer), Planetside 2 took long because SOE had other projects, Same with diablo 3, and Blizzards upcoming MMORPG. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about here Coeco.  Also, ALL OF THOSE GAMES had gameplay videos available within the year they were supposed to be released.  Also, none of those games were announced when they were supposedly closed to finished. As the War Z supposedly is. They were announced early to generate "hype" and interest. None of those companies just popped up and said "Oh we've been working on this for the past two years".

You didn't state any facts that suggest anything about the engine. But that's fine. Also, I never said that the game wasn't in development sir. I just said that its a bit odd for a game to be in development for two years with nary a word from its developer.  Anyway Coeco, it's clear that you're emotionally invested in the success of this game and anyone showing any level of skepticism towards it appears to be a personal insult to you. But I'm going to point out one more time that the games that you mentioned were exceptions to the rule. Generally in the industry a lack of screenshots, gameplay videos, or anything other than screenshots that show little of practical gameplay isn't a good sign for the development of a game.

PS: Something that would be a CORE part of the game (a medical system) is something that should generally be done early in development. Not near the end when the game is apparently already in testing, as that would prolong the testing since the game would have to be re-balanced for this medical system.

PPS: Links or gtfo

Thank you for ultimately proving my point by not knowing anything about the process required to create games. The game is IN TESTING BY AN ACTUAL COMPANY THAT MAKES VIDEO GAMES FOR A LIVING so save yourself the embarrassment next time and don't try to compare the availabilities of a mod to an actual game because if you think 1-2 years of a company being quiet is much, you will really need to have an hard, long look on the gaming industry. Duke Nukem Forever, Planetside 2, Diablo 3, Blizzard's upcoming Titan MMORPG, all of these games were tucked away for a minimum of 3+ years sometimes without even any hints to the fans but that doesn't make them "Fake". It's called business. You don't show your cards until you're gonna play them because all ideas, trademarks, characters and tons of other aspects can be snatched out of your hands instantly so please spare me your stupidity of asking for "Proof" that an engine is better when I literally just stated all the facts about both of them which means my "Judgement" has nothing to do with it. If you don't like reading facts, that's your persona problem buddy.

And I'll say the same thing to you as I did to Axel. The evidence is there, be it copyright signings for the name or screenshots so unless you got some actual facts to bring with your speculations, I highly suggest you go back to keeping that blind-sight to yourself. Oh and, calling people by their title is not an insult, sorry to disappoint.

P.S: Thanks yet again for proving my point not only once but twice in one comment by showing that you know absolutely nothing about designing games. They got an existing engine that a whole studio of veteran developers are familiar with and they are all working under an open-minded publisher so an medical system will be the equivalent to an pimple to implant. Balance is what takes time, which is WHAT THE SOON-TO-COME BETA IS FOR. :)

Coeco to be fair, there's not much evidence of the work that has been done on The War Z. As of yet nothing concrete has been produced beyond a collection of screenshots, for a game that they're already taking pre-orders for. Meanwhile, Day-Z (a mod that itself is free) has a playable alpha and has been steadily releasing patches. It is a bit suspicious that a game that's been in development for 1-2 years has nothing but still photos and not one video.

That said, the original question hasn't really been answered. What proof do you have that The War Z has a better engine? A dozen or so screenshots? These aren't indicative of how the game plays, merely how it might look. Furthermore, you're not doing any good insulting people for being skeptical. Sure, The War Z might be an amazing game that blows DayZ out of the water, but what do you say we reserve judgement until a playable version of the game is available to the general public?

With all of THAT out of the way... The War Z looks like it might be interesting. I get the distinct feeling that it may play a bit more "arcadey" than DayZ but that may not neccesarily be a bad thing as it allows for appeal to a wider audience.

PS: 1-2 years and they've just decided on a medical system? And the game is expected to come out soon? You're not helping your case.

eat at WAFFLE house much?

day z  is one thing war z is another.   war z isnt a clone of day z, war z may have to be handing out news in small bits due to OUTSIDE company influences. you know those pesky NDA agreements that if you as a game dev house or backer violate you pretty much dont get to make games for the big names like sony anymore but hey go with what you read on a mod of  REAL games forums k? that way you can always fall back on the, "i read it on the official day z forums" excuse.

people who actually have no clue and then post anyways always crack me up. its like no matter how much proof or facts you produce they always resort to low brow tactics.

ps: 1-2 DEVELOPING systems for a NEW FULL STANDALONE game.   and then by people who have actually made other FULL STANDALONE games not added to a existing product via a mod.

disclaimer, i love my day z i bought arma 2 CO just to play it. its a great time. i love every time i play it, its got a different freedom to it.  it stands by itself, until other titles come to be compared. which is here in a couple months.  and a beta of day z but end of year is awesome, but a full game on a new engine? in less than a year? day z? i fins it far easier to believe that war z is in production, and we will see a beta here soon. alpha mod day z has a lot of ground to put under its feet with the myriad of bugs and exploits and major issues with inventory and pathing and ai and insert your favorite problem day z has here.

and all that being said im a HUGE dayz fan and i love it so much i dont really play much else at this point in time, even though i have several games i just bought on the steam summer sale....

day z is a awesome MOD. it needs professional temas working day and night on it. and of course it will not end up being rockets day z then its BI day z. with all the ideas and inclusions and take aways that come with a team working on a game.  but as it stands im paid 29.99 for the main game and havent played arma2 for one second, ive played countless hours of a alpha mod tho, thats speaks volumes that its the premise and feel of the mod more so then the graphics or physics or crappy ai.  day z nailed it mostly. with what he has to work with rocket done a amazing job! now lets see if this kid can get the backing and keep his creative license. tiem will tell, and right now war z might be the best thing to happen to day z as it will take attention off day z a bit giving more space for rocket to do things without a rabid fanbase of spawn campers crying about every fking arma engine error. 

and it cant be any worse than day z right?

You call 1-2 years of work and even longer time planning amongst a big bunch of veteran game-developers to be a "conspiracy" as they're lead by an executive producer? If you have doubts about the game, follow the progress and check the companies economic/tax report, the filing for copyright and see some of the dozens and dozens of screenshots released before appealing yourself like a fanboy jackass.

And last time I checked, there has been zombies and MMORPG's around a LOOOONG time before Day Z so if anything, they're ripping others off but unlike you, I'm not a little child and I won't sink low enough to use that "argument". Day Z is very much indeed about to get completely replaced so I highly suggest you go back to sucking your thumb and go back to throwing money to your precious amateur mod developers that have no solid future plans (because Bohemia has already thrown them under the buss) before prompting everyone else to "waking up".

P.S, Hammerpoint is currently in the process of migrating Metal Gear Solid 3's medical system so I guess there goes your theory of dumbing things down, doesn't it, fanboy? ;)

There's people to who have the galls to compare War Z with DayZ, which is pretty amazing in it self considering War Z hasn't been shown to the public, sans a few screenshots. There some guy called Sergey Titov who has been making some pretty wild claims about War Z greatness-to-be and making veiled jabs at DayZ, going on about how great War Z will be but has consistently failed to show anything for it. I'm not going as far to as saying that War Z will be vaporware, but I'm fairly sure Hammerpoint Interactive will fail to deliver anything that can rival DayZ even it's current alpha state.

The claim that War Z has been in development for over a year is just bollocks to deflect any criticism of blatantly ripping off DayZ in an attempt to ride on it's success. Frankly it's sickening how Titov is getting a free pass from all the gaming sites, not asking him any tough questions or making him put his money where his mouth is.

I don't think that the essence of DayZ can be copied, since it's pretty much one guy uncompromisingly implementing his ideas. A lot of War Z fanbois will have a rough awakening once they get their hands on the design-by-comittee rip off, finding that it's been dumbed down to please the masses.

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There's people to who have the galls to compare War Z with DayZ, which is pretty amazing in it self considering War Z hasn't been shown to the public, sans a few screenshots. There some guy called Sergey Titov who has been making some pretty wild claims about War Z greatness-to-be and making veiled jabs at DayZ, going on about how great War Z will be but has consistently failed to show anything for it. I'm not going as far to as saying that War Z will be vaporware, but I'm fairly sure Hammerpoint Interactive will fail to deliver anything that can rival DayZ even it's current alpha state.

The claim that War Z has been in development for over a year is just bollocks to deflect any criticism of blatantly ripping off DayZ in an attempt to ride on it's success. Frankly it's sickening how Titov is getting a free pass from all the gaming sites, not asking him any tough questions or making him put his money where his mouth is.

I don't think that the essence of DayZ can be copied, since it's pretty much one guy uncompromisingly implementing his ideas. A lot of War Z fanbois will have a rough awakening once they get their hands on the design-by-comittee rip off, finding that it's been dumbed down to please the masses.

i made thsi accoutn after reading your post to say you don tknow jack squat about how long the war z has been in development.  did you know it was a SONY requested title? and that it has been posted since may that the game was being worked on for many many months? do you know where this is posted? no you do not but i do and i have links. but i will not give them to you. you seem to be one of the common, fanboy cant stand anyone else doing a game like the one you love.

sad common and boring. people who actually are true gamers dont give a shit about company loayalty or the little bickering from children who have only recently been allowed online unsupervised by a mommy or daddy.

the man has posted on forums previously about war z and about how it came to be here ill allow a quote from his second post when asked about the game he previously asked this particular community if they would be interested in a zomnie mmo that has stable servers and quite a few awesome things, ....

here is the first time asking this community... "We have the engine
We have artists
We have programers
We have designers
We have tech

We've been working on our own zombie for PS3 (Sony's request) for a while.

Would you guys play this if we make it on PC as a huge open world like in Chernarus. With lots of towns, villages, drivable vehicles, clans, trading merchants, resources, etc?

We are thinking about doing this right now. This way you wont have problems with servers, buggy environment and combat system, and all the exploration zombie surviving you want

How about it? "  ill tell you this one was posted on 5/16/2012 

here is another ..."    No we are not going to make it a Free To Play Game.

F that

Most likely it will be one time purchase fee for something like $15-20. Similar to Minecraft.
However there will be GOLD currency in the game that you can purchase for real $ money. With that currency you can buy attachments for weapons, different skins, different cute things, but nothing to make you "WIN" in this game. Its gona be more for "comfort" and cosmetic.

Everything that you will be able to buy in the store will be scattered and placed around in the WORLD. You just have to find it And I mean everything. But we wont let people who are spoiled rich or well off in real life purchase Hummer with a 50 cal and 5 HK 417s with top of the line scopes. NOPE, not gona happen. You must find it first to even see it in the Merchant Store.

Merchant stores and safe zones will be placed through out the world, very similar to Fallout 3. There will be towns in which there will be Walled Off Districts for players to rest, sleep, take a bath, buy a meal, restock their supplies for their next adventure. Flirt or have *** with others or check message boards and postings. Most likely even pick up a job/quest by a real person. The guns will not be allowed in those zones to avoid chaos and mayhem. But be careful when you exit out of the Safe Zone. There will be players who will turn barbarians or raiders. Everyone will be free to make their own faction or a clan too.

Another thing we are going to give players is the chance to earn their own Gold (Real money currency). There will be special types of zombies roaming through the world at very special places, and only at night. If you kill them, you can get their Brain Stem Cells, and trade that at the nearest merchant, trading post, city, for REAL GOLD. So players will have the chance to go and get those Stem Cells and make real money. Those zombies wont be a joke to deal with though, so you will have to pack military gear to fight them, or work together with a friend.


Should I start a whole new thread about this to start gathering your guy's requests/ideas ? "

so until you know more than the fan forums hate drama you are spewing, you prolly should refrain from posting about shit you are parroting from a fan of the mod forums.

people like you is what is wrong with todays internet gaming communities.

Yes, we can. Day Z is built off a military simulator, not a bad choice but the current Arma engine has next to no support for AI while packing huge performance issues to the point that servers are causing FPS restrictions as low as to 2-5 fps max. In the end, the game will never really be truly fixed due to the limits and the creators have already foreseen this which is why they've expressed concerns for Day Z's feature, begging their fans to soon throw them money so they can build a stand-alone game, maybe even including its own engine, (which they don't know how to) AI, animations, terrain and countless of other things. It could easily take up to 5 years to accomplish and by that time, The War Z will be in full throttle, having a rock-solid, thoroughly entertaining game with constant flows of content being added due to the expansive nature of post-apocalyptic MMORPG's all from a one-time fee of 30$.

But to talk about an engine in specific, let's compare: Day Z scraped the Arma 2 engine up the floor and decided to make a zombie mob while adding a patch here and there including fancy new features without fixing any of the real problems. War Z have been customizing an already fitting engine for over 1-2 years while planning future features for even longer and they're months, maybe even weeks from releasing the full game as Day Z is crawling up an uncertain feature in Alpha.

I'll let you be the judge.